Quillette Cetera, episode 37 Source: Quillette “Liberalism vs Realism with Matt Johnson.” (09/16/24) https://quillette.com/blog/2024/09/16/liberalism-vs-realism-with-matt-johnson-quillette-cetera-episode-37/ September 16, 2024September 16, 2024 Thomas L. Knapp